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Building a component setup is like unlocking Leonardo's cryptex. Sonic harmony comes when all the component matches and any wrong move, we stand a chance of breaking the vinegar glass. Sounds simple enough and I can tell you its simple in the beginning and later it gets all confusing. The good news is we can always backtrack. Now let’s get to the source!

How much do we believe in the philosophy of expensive CDP provides better sound? I started my HIFI journey with the humble Marantz CD5400 and about a year later I upgraded to the CD7300 whom I was really pleased and satisfied with the service it provide. I was happy in the beginning and the curiosity got the better of me. Now how do we improve the sound without spending loads of cash? Upgrading the Interconnecting cable would be my first choice. mmmmmm...I was thinking what a genius (I was). And hifi shows was just around the corner and I got an offer for a used Siltech New York IC. So without any chance of testing I bought it and I couldn't pay attention to the exhibitions anymore. I was just too eager to get home and plug it in and hope for the improvement I was looking for.

Ok not bad, the vocals seem more concentrated, but now my system is too bright! Again the torturing voice of high mid is filling the whole room; I do an AB test, replacing the Siltech with my faithful QED Silverspiral. And the sound is back to normal...more listenable more musical. I started to question are Siltech cables all just plain old myth snake oil? I called my friend CK at CMY, explained my situation and he was surprise to my finding. "No way"; he said, he tried it a dozen times and the Siltech was never once found to be inferior to the QED.

I came to my own conclusion that the CD7300 is already at its best and no upgrading will do it good. A lesson served, you've to match a CDP with its standard of interconnector. So I took a dive and request for an audition of a run in Primare CD21 a perfect marriage for my I21 integrated amp. First CD sang and my impression with the sound is; not much difference compared to my Marantz. The soundstage is more or less the same size and the vocal is slightly better. I wasn’t really impressed given the price of the CD21 is 3 times the Marantz.

This time I plug in the Siltech and to my surprise the sound is no more bright but much meaty, the vocal are so clear you can hear to the finest dynamic of changes. The imaging is also far sharper and more space around it. Immediately the soundstage opened and I can hear so much more improvement. After 3 days with the Primare I start an AB test with the Marantz. The first song played on the Marantz proved to be disappointing, and I know I'm stuck. I told myself there’s no turning back now. I've pampered my ears to better clarity and superior sonically.

In comparison the Primare has upper hand in all aspect. The soundstage is much deeper, the placing of instrument is more realistic, you can hear the drum behind the speaker with the marantz perhaps -6db, but with the primare you not only hear the drum behind it but you can feel and see it with your eyes. That’s how sharp the presentation of the Primare. The soundstage is also very much deeper and wider. I could play music at volume 30 without any hint of disturbance. The bass has more detail instead of just badaboom. In fact what I learn from this 3rd phase total upgrade from my system is; When you balance the sonic well, you get to play at higher volume. And the sound is so much more solid and realistic. It has clarity but not to the point of clinical. It is still very much musical and it has the ability to draw you into the music and keeping you chasing Cds after Cds.

This article is not meant to compare between the Primare and the Marantz but rather it serves as an experience sharing for those who are on the same path as me. A little window for you to peep into the differences you get from upgrading, provided you choose wisely or you risk the pouring vinegar that bleach all your music.



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Cool upgrade isolation devices/ platform to another level of performance! Very Happy Always works! Very Happy


Vic, I bought 3 spike feet, I duno about the sound but visually it look damn nice Laughing Laughing Laughing
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did you happen to have a chance to
compare it with the d20 or vice versa?
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Howdy Folks!

I had a little experience with primare as I only use it for only 1 month, then Naim.

Primare I30 in particular is laid back in presentation but it has good level of details, sweet vocal.

CD31, again with details and matches I30 very well.

When I bring back the Naim and compare with Primare AB demo at home......spot on!, Naim is for me. At that time I tested with 112x/150x and now upgraded to Nac202/nap200 with Naim CD5.

One thing, no matter what your system is, what price range, the ability/know-how to enjoy the music is important..that's the substance.


cheers and have a good day
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Built, No I did not test the D20, since I'm buying new I might as well go for the latest so I skipped the older model altogether. But I understand from John there were sellin the older model for a good discount.

And Hi5, before buying the Primare I tested the Naim Nait and CD5i, and it just didn't cut for me. I find them too forward sounding. Well everyone has thier preferences as I listen mostly to Jazz and slow songs.
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Skareb, yes I agree. It's a personal taste and what's good for you is matters most.

Naim Nait5i/CD5i doesn't do the trick for me eitherl, eventhough they has the character of more expensive range but it's a big different when you steps up the Naim ladder.

I was a drummer/guitar player for many years back (early 90's). The timing, musicality that Naim offers are too good for me to give a miss.

Enjot the music...cheers

p/s: where do you live? when is the next session of gathering
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me staying in Miharja cheras. Very Happy

I agree its all about what kinda music taste...I never go for floorstander too. I always prefer standmount coz of the superb imaging. For floorstander to perform the kinda imaging of standmount give it'll have to be expensive.
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me staying in Miharja cheras. Very Happy

I agree its all about what kinda music taste...I never go for floorstander too. I always prefer standmount coz of the superb imaging. For floorstander to perform the kinda imaging of standmount give it'll have to be expensive.


Absolutely, I'm using Standmounter too.....
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do you upgrade your powercord?
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Naim suggest to use their supplied cord but I use Belden cord. Very Happy

How much do you pay for 110?. Did you manage to demo for Ref8 signature?
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RM5100 but with trade in for my old Audiopro, I've to top up RM3800. I didnt test the ref8 signature as I dun have the budget, but I did test with the normal ref8 and I prefer the studio110 being more natural and real.

I'm beginning to suspect about powercord being snake oil. I'm testing the Siltech Berlin for a week and 2 days pass I did AB test with the original cord I hear absolutely no difference.
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RM5100 but with trade in for my old Audiopro, I've to top up RM3800. I didnt test the ref8 signature as I dun have the budget, but I did test with the normal ref8 and I prefer the studio110 being more natural and real.

I'm beginning to suspect about powercord being snake oil. I'm testing the Siltech Berlin for a week and 2 days pass I did AB test with the original cord I hear absolutely no difference.


Trust your ears and I found no diffferent with original Naim cable too. I just use belden coz it has better insulation but still no different from Naim cable.

I have no problem to swap to original cable again.

I suspect, for a system like yours and myself too the manufacturer has already made an extensive test and that supplied cable is more than okay. Just try to make all cables not touching each other...i.e..I/C, spks cables/power cable. If you have to, make them a cross each other
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Skareb, how much in pound sterling for 110? if u have any idea.

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ah that wan no idea la you've to ask your money changer.
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